African Padouk Bowl Blanks

This brick-red colored West African hardwood was once one of the more common imported hardwoods but has become increasingly scarce in the last couple of years. It is easy to work, takes a nice polish and is dimensionally stable.

Item Number: W42092

Castello Boxwood

Castello Boxwood, though not a true Buxus species, still has a very fine texture and a lovely light canary yellow color. This is truly a dream wood to mill.It is an excellent turnery wood, capable of very fine detail. Also very popular for making scale timbers and other parts for model ships. Air-dried.

Item Number: W42090

$35.00

A 1 7/8 x 2 7/8 x 20 3/4"

$41.95

B 1 15/16 x 2 15/16 x 23 9/16"

Camphor Burl Turning Squares

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42089

$20.65

A 2 5/8 x 2 5/8 x 8 5/8"

$19.70

C 2 9/16 x 2 9/16 x 8 5/8"

$22.70

E 2 9/16 x 2 9/16 x 9 15/16"

$24.40

F 2 9/16 x 2 9/16 x 10 11/16"

Camphor Burl Turning Squares

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42088

$11.90

A 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 x 6 3/4"

$18.25

E 2 9/16 x 2 9/16 x 8"

$17.15

F 2 9/16 x 2 9/16 x 7 1/2"

Camphor Burl Turning Squares

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42087

$25.85

C 2 15/16 x 2 15/16 x 8 5/8"

$31.25

D 3 x 3 x 10"

$39.30

E 3 x 3 x 12 9/16"

$39.50

F 3 x 3 x 12 5/8"

Camphor Burl

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42086

$15.80

A 2 x 2 3/8 x 9 9/16"

$14.70

B 1 3/4 x 2 9/16 x 9 7/16"

$37.55

D 2 x 5 x 10 13/16"

$40.00

E 2 x 4 1/2 x 11 1/8"

Camphor Burl Bundles

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

A has 3 pieces.
B & C have 2 pieces each.

Item Number: W42085

$20.00

C ea. pc. 1 x 2 3/4-4 3/16 x 9 7/8-10 1/2"

Camphor Burl

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42084

$49.00

A 1 13/16 x 5 1/8 x 15 3/16"

$42.90

B 1 15/16 x 3 3/8 x 18 7/8"

$52.85

C 2 1/16 x 3 11/16 x 20"

$93.00

E 2 1/16 x 7 3/4 x 16 3/4"

Camphor Burl

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42083

$18.15

D 2 x 2 3/4 x 9 1/2"

Camphor Burl

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42082

$53.55

D 2 7/8 x 4 1/8 x 13"

Camphor Burl

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42081

$22.25

A 4 x 4 x 4"

$129.10

C 6 1/2 x 6 1/2 x 11"

Camphor Burl Turning Squares

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42080

Guatemalan Rosewood

This Rosewood species has a reddish-brown to dark brown colored heartwood contrasting the almost white sapwood. The dust has a sweet odor. It is an excellent furniture/case works/jewelry box wood and even though it has a medium texture it does take a nice polish. We also offer it as a musical instrument wood (see guitar fingerboards and backs & sides elsewhere on the site). It has a very "crisp" tap tone with good sustain.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42076

$41.85

B 15/16 x 6 1/22 x 23 5/8"

Guatemalan Rosewood

This Rosewood species has a reddish-brown to dark brown colored heartwood contrasting the almost white sapwood. The dust has a sweet odor. It is an excellent furniture/case works/jewelry box wood and even though it has a medium texture it does take a nice polish. We also offer it as a musical instrument wood (see guitar fingerboards and backs & sides elsewhere on the site). It has a very "crisp" tap tone with good sustain.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42075

$34.20

B 7/8 x 5 x 25"

$36.60

C 15/16 x 4 9/16 x 27 3/8"

Bird's-eye Maple

The heartwood is white or cream to light brown or reddish brown. Figured somewhat like that of burl with many small eyes separate from each other. Hard and heavy, 45 lbs/cu ft. Easy to work and takes a smooth polish. U.S.A.

Item Number: W42073

$19.90

A 15/16 x 5 9/16 x 18 5/16"

$19.20

B 15/16 x 4 1/4 x 23 1/8"

Honduras Rosewood

A true rosewood, most of our stock comes from Belize. Smelling like stored apples, it is a lovely wood to turn and takes a fantastic polish. Getting scarce on the world market.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42068

$39.90

A 15/16 x 2 1/2 x 40 13/16"

$46.65

B 1 1/16 x 2 1/2 x 42 1/8"

$45.60

C 1 x 2 9/16 x 42 11/16"

$45.65

D 15/16 x 2 5/8 x 44 1/2"

$45.25

F 15/16 x 2 1/2 x 46 5/16"

Figured Hawaiian Koa

This species is found almost exclusively in the Hawaiian Islands. It ranges in color from a pale brown to a reddish brown to a very dark, almost chocolate brown. It has a texture similar to Walnut but is easier to work. Can be highly chatoyant or lustrous. Highly sought after for use in musical instruments, especially guitars and ukuleles. Koa is becoming rare.

Item Number: W42067

$85.30

A 1 11/16 x 4 x 18 3/16"

Figured Purpleheart

The best colored & figured Purpleheart comes from Bolivia. It is also finer-grained than other Purpleheart species found elsewhere. Air-dried.

Item Number: W42065

$39.10

A 15/16 x 4 11/16 x 36 9/16"

$41.15

C 7/8 x 4 9/16 x 42 3/8"

West African Ebony Bowl Blanks

Sometimes called Gabon or Gaboon, this Ebony is sometimes jet black but oftentimes has grayish streaks that mostly disappear when finished or after the made object has been put into service. This Ebony has a marked resistance to checking that is characteristic of some of the Indian and Asian species. It has a wonderful texture and is easily carved, planed, turned, and milled. It is fairly fine-grained and takes a high polish. This Ebony usually originates in either Cameroon or Nigeria and the logs are rough hewn in the forest and oftentimes brought to the nearest road by human porters. With the disappearance of other species of black Ebony this species is fast becoming the Ebony of choice.

These all have a little wane on one corner.

Item Number: W42063

$89.05

C 1 15/16 x 7 x 7"

West African Ebony Bowl Blanks

Sometimes called Gabon or Gaboon, this Ebony is sometimes jet black but oftentimes has grayish streaks that mostly disappear when finished or after the made object has been put into service. This Ebony has a marked resistance to checking that is characteristic of some of the Indian and Asian species. It has a wonderful texture and is easily carved, planed, turned, and milled. It is fairly fine-grained and takes a high polish. This Ebony usually originates in either Cameroon or Nigeria and the logs are rough hewn in the forest and oftentimes brought to the nearest road by human porters. With the disappearance of other species of black Ebony this species is fast becoming the Ebony of choice.

Item Number: W42062

$126.20

B 3 1/8 x 6 9/16 x 6 9/16"

$126.20

C 3 1/8 x 6 9/16 x 6 9/16"

West African Ebony Bowl Blanks

Sometimes called Gabon or Gaboon, this Ebony is sometimes jet black but oftentimes has grayish streaks that mostly disappear when finished or after the made object has been put into service. This Ebony has a marked resistance to checking that is characteristic of some of the Indian and Asian species. It has a wonderful texture and is easily carved, planed, turned, and milled. It is fairly fine-grained and takes a high polish. This Ebony usually originates in either Cameroon or Nigeria and the logs are rough hewn in the forest and oftentimes brought to the nearest road by human porters. With the disappearance of other species of black Ebony this species is fast becoming the Ebony of choice.

Item Number: W42061

$29.60

A 2 7/8 x 3 5/16 x 3 5/16"

West African Ebony Turning Squares

Sometimes called Gabon or Gaboon, this Ebony is sometimes jet black but oftentimes has grayish streaks that mostly disappear when finished or after the made object has been put into service. This Ebony has a marked resistance to checking that is characteristic of some of the Indian and Asian species. It has a wonderful texture and is easily carved, planed, turned, and milled. It is fairly fine-grained and takes a high polish. This Ebony usually originates in either Cameroon or Nigeria and the logs are rough hewn in the forest and oftentimes brought to the nearest road by human porters. With the disappearance of other species of black Ebony this species is fast becoming the Ebony of choice.

A & B have a bit of wane on one corner.

Item Number: W42060

$56.10

A 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 x 11 13/16"

$46.90

B 2 1/2 x 2 1/2 x 8"

$64.25

D 2 15/16 x 2 15/16 x 7 15/16"

$84.40

E 3 x 3 x 10"

West African Ebony

Originating in S.E. Asia, especially Indonesia, this Ebony is sometimes called Malaysian Blackwood. The heartwood is dark, sometimes with black stripes or streaking and oftentimes with a greenish cast in sharp contrast to the white to straw colored sapwood. We import this in large cants up to 8 x 14" with lengths to 10 feet. The wood is hard and heavy and is capable of a fine, high polish. Excellent for turnery and precious woodworks such as musical instruments, boxes, jewelry, etc.

Item Number: W42059

$21.10

A 7/8 x 2 11/16 x 9 9/16"

$33.35

B 1 x 3 1/8 x 11 3/8"

West African Ebony

Originating in S.E. Asia, especially Indonesia, this Ebony is sometimes called Malaysian Blackwood. The heartwood is dark, sometimes with black stripes or streaking and oftentimes with a greenish cast in sharp contrast to the white to straw colored sapwood. We import this in large cants up to 8 x 14" with lengths to 10 feet. The wood is hard and heavy and is capable of a fine, high polish. Excellent for turnery and precious woodworks such as musical instruments, boxes, jewelry, etc.

Item Number: W42058

West African Ebony

Originating in S.E. Asia, especially Indonesia, this Ebony is sometimes called Malaysian Blackwood. The heartwood is dark, sometimes with black stripes or streaking and oftentimes with a greenish cast in sharp contrast to the white to straw colored sapwood. We import this in large cants up to 8 x 14" with lengths to 10 feet. The wood is hard and heavy and is capable of a fine, high polish. Excellent for turnery and precious woodworks such as musical instruments, boxes, jewelry, etc.

Item Number: W42057

$28.85

B 1 3/16 x 1 1/2 x 17 1/4"

$27.25

C 1 x 1 1/2 x 19 3/8"

West African Ebony Turning Squares

Originating in S.E. Asia, especially Indonesia, this Ebony is sometimes called Malaysian Blackwood. The heartwood is dark, sometimes with black stripes or streaking and oftentimes with a greenish cast in sharp contrast to the white to straw colored sapwood. We import this in large cants up to 8 x 14" with lengths to 10 feet. The wood is hard and heavy and is capable of a fine, high polish. Excellent for turnery and precious woodworks such as musical instruments, boxes, jewelry, etc.

Item Number: W42054

$15.30

A 1 3/8 x 1 3/8 x 8 5/8"

$20.55

D 1 1/4 x 1 1/4 x 14"

$18.05

E 1 x 1 x 19 1/4"

$64.60

F 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 30 5/8"

West African Ebony Turning Squares

Originating in S.E. Asia, especially Indonesia, this Ebony is sometimes called Malaysian Blackwood. The heartwood is dark, sometimes with black stripes or streaking and oftentimes with a greenish cast in sharp contrast to the white to straw colored sapwood. We import this in large cants up to 8 x 14" with lengths to 10 feet. The wood is hard and heavy and is capable of a fine, high polish. Excellent for turnery and precious woodworks such as musical instruments, boxes, jewelry, etc.

Item Number: W42053

West African Ebony Turning Squares

Originating in S.E. Asia, especially Indonesia, this Ebony is sometimes called Malaysian Blackwood. The heartwood is dark, sometimes with black stripes or streaking and oftentimes with a greenish cast in sharp contrast to the white to straw colored sapwood. We import this in large cants up to 8 x 14" with lengths to 10 feet. The wood is hard and heavy and is capable of a fine, high polish. Excellent for turnery and precious woodworks such as musical instruments, boxes, jewelry, etc.

Item Number: W42052

$31.45

B 1 5/8 x 1 5/8 x 12 11/16"

$33.20

C 1 9/16 x 1 9/16 x 14 1/2"

$38.00

D 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 18"

Honduras Rosewood Turning Squares

A true rosewood, most of our stock comes from Belize. Smelling like stored apples, it is a lovely wood to turn and takes a fantastic polish. Getting scarce on the world market.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42049

$89.90

E 2 15/16 x 2 15/16 x 30"

Honduras Rosewood

A true rosewood, most of our stock comes from Belize. Smelling like stored apples, it is a lovely wood to turn and takes a fantastic polish. Getting scarce on the world market.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42048

$9.50

A 1 1/2 x 2 x 7 9/16"

$10.80

B 1 13/16 x 2 9/16 x 5 9/16"

Honduras Rosewood

A true rosewood, most of our stock comes from Belize. Smelling like stored apples, it is a lovely wood to turn and takes a fantastic polish. Getting scarce on the world market.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42047

$18.25

E 15/16 x 2 1/2 x 22 3/8"

$24.30

G 15/16 x 3 1/8 x 23 7/8"

Honduras Rosewood

A true rosewood, most of our stock comes from Belize. Smelling like stored apples, it is a lovely wood to turn and takes a fantastic polish. Getting scarce on the world market.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42046

Thuya Burl Turning Squares

This comes from the Atlas mountains in Morocco and has a beautiful golden chatoyance. Its color varies from a rich, lustrous golden brown to nearly black. Thuya burl is hard and dense with a high oil content, but tends to be brittle. The eyes, perfectly round, are scattered about in some burls like the figure in bird's-eye maple; in others they are grouped as islands. Due to it's desert occurrence, the wood sometimes contains small defects or inclusions but most can be repaired with cyanoacrylate (super) glues. A rare species, this exquisite wood is used for inlays, small boxes, turnery, and precious objects.

Item Number: W42044

$56.45

B 2 x 2 x 8 1/8"

$61.95

E 1 15/16 x 1 15/16 x 9 1/2"

$71.30

F 1 15/16 x 1 15/16 x 10 15/16"

Thuya Burl Turning Squares

These seeds are from a palm tree found mostly in Ecuador, Bolivia and Peru. They are commonly known as vegetable ivory or ivory nuts and are used as a substitute for elephant ivory in carvings and turnings. They are used for beads, buttons, carvings, and small turned vessels and boxes. Because the seed, as it hardens, can develop a small fissure or cavity in its center, it is necessary to incorporate this defect into the design. The seeds can be polished to a glass smooth finish. They have an oblong shape and are approximately 1 3/8-2 inches long.

Item Number: W42043

$54.20

B 1 7/8 x 1 7/8 x 8 7/8"

$58.70

D 1 13/16 x 1 15/16 x 9 5/8"

Thuya Burl Knife Handle Blanks

This comes from the Atlas mountains in Morocco and has a beautiful golden chatoyance. Its color varies from a rich, lustrous golden brown to nearly black. Thuya burl is hard and dense with a high oil content, but tends to be brittle. The eyes, perfectly round, are scattered about in some burls like the figure in bird's-eye maple; in others they are grouped as islands. Due to it's desert occurrence, the wood sometimes contains small defects or inclusions but most can be repaired with cyanoacrylate (super) glues. A rare species, this exquisite wood is used for inlays, small boxes, turnery, and precious objects.

Item Number: W42041

$35.00

C 1 1/16 x 1 11/16 x 5 11/16"

Ziricote

Ziricote is another timber we get from the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. It is a lovely wood with a very pronounced ray fleck on radial surfaces sometimes producing a "landscape" effect much like picture jasper.

Item Number: W42039

$18.25

A 1 5/16 x 1 1/2 x 15 11/16"

$27.40

B 1 9/16 x 2 3/8 x 12 1/2"

$50.40

E 1 9/16 x 2 5/8 x 20 13/16"

$44.55

F 15/16 x 2 1/4 x 35 3/4"

Ziricote Turning Squares

Ziricote is another timber we get from the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. It is a lovely wood with a very pronounced ray fleck on radial surfaces sometimes producing a "landscape" effect much like picture jasper.

G is not a square.

Item Number: W42038

$11.85

A 2 x 2 x 5"

$28.35

E 2 x 2 x 12"

Ziricote Thins

Ziricote is another timber we get from the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico. It is a lovely wood with a very pronounced ray fleck on radial surfaces sometimes producing a "landscape" effect much like picture jasper.

Item Number: W42037

$10.40

A 7/16 x 2 1/4 x 15 3/16"

$15.25

C 3/8 x 2 7/8 x 20 5/16"

$17.70

D 3/8 x 3 x 22 5/8"

$23.60

E 3/8 x 4 x 22 5/8"

Figured Purpleheart

The best colored & figured Purpleheart comes from Bolivia. It is also finer-grained than other Purpleheart species found elsewhere. Air-dried.

Item Number: W42036

Figured Purpleheart

The best colored & figured Purpleheart comes from Bolivia. It is also finer-grained than other Purpleheart species found elsewhere. Air-dried.

Item Number: W42035

$11.75

A 3/4 x 3 1/4 x 17 5/16"

$25.05

B 13/16 x 4 7/16 x 25"

African Padouk Bowl Blanks

This brick-red colored West African hardwood was once one of the more common imported hardwoods but has become increasingly scarce in the last couple of years. It is easy to work, takes a nice polish and is dimensionally stable.

Item Number: W42027

$12.50 $10.00

A 2 7/8 x 5 x 5"

$15.10

B 2 7/8 x 5 1/2 x 5 1/2"

Camphor Burl

This rare burl is from S.E. Asia and is seldom seen on the world market. It is fine-grained and varies in color from a light reddish-brown to almost scarlet. It is easy to work and has a very pungent, spicy scent. For a burl it is remarkably stable. Green to partially air dried.

Item Number: W42023

$18.75 $15.00

A 1 1/8 x 3 1/16 x 17 3/8"

$59.15 $47.32

D 2 15/16 x 4 3/4 x 13 9/16"

Spanish Cedar

Also called Cigar Box Cedar because of its aromatic scent and its wide use in tobacco humidors. It resembles the wood of South American Mahogany to which it is related. Heartwood color varies from a light pinkish brown to reddish brown. It is fairly light in weight.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42018

$48.00 $38.40

C 3 1/4 x 5 1/2 x 20"

West African Ebony Bundles & Turning Squares

Sometimes called Gabon or Gaboon, this Ebony is sometimes jet black but oftentimes has grayish streaks that mostly disappear when finished or after the made object has been put into service. This Ebony has a marked resistance to checking that is characteristic of some of the Indian and Asian species. It has a wonderful texture and is easily carved, planed, turned, and milled. It is fairly fine-grained and takes a high polish. This Ebony usually originates in either Cameroon or Nigeria and the logs are rough hewn in the forest and oftentimes brought to the nearest road by human porters. With the disappearance of other species of black Ebony this species is fast becoming the Ebony of choice.

A has 5 pieces.
B has 5 pieces.

Item Number: W42016

$42.20 $33.76

F 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 20"

$45.10 $36.08

G 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 21 3/8"

West African Ebony

Sometimes called Gabon or Gaboon, this Ebony is sometimes jet black but oftentimes has grayish streaks that mostly disappear when finished or after the made object has been put into service. This Ebony has a marked resistance to checking that is characteristic of some of the Indian and Asian species. It has a wonderful texture and is easily carved, planed, turned, and milled. It is fairly fine-grained and takes a high polish. This Ebony usually originates in either Cameroon or Nigeria and the logs are rough hewn in the forest and oftentimes brought to the nearest road by human porters. With the disappearance of other species of black Ebony this species is fast becoming the Ebony of choice.

Item Number: W42015

$18.55 $14.84

A 1 x 2 x 9 7/8"

$25.10 $20.08

C 13/16 x 2 1/8 x 15 1/2"

$66.45 $53.16

F 1 x 2 5/8 x 27"

Honduras Rosewood

A true rosewood, most of our stock comes from Belize. Smelling like stored apples, it is a lovely wood to turn and takes a fantastic polish. Getting scarce on the world market.

Due to CITES regulations, we can only ship this species to customers in the United States.

Item Number: W42006

$45.15

B 1 x 3 1/2 x 46 7/16"

$33.60

C 15/16 x 2 3/4 x 46 7/8"

$30.85

D 7/8 x 2 11/16 x 47 3/16"

Chechem

Another of our woods from the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico. The heartwood is reddish-brown with very pronounced chatoyance or luster. A beautiful wood for furniture, cabinetry, turnery & treen, etc.

Item Number: W42005

$36.55 $29.24

C 7/8 x 4 1/4 x 35 3/8"

$42.15 $33.72

E 1 x 3 15/16 x 38 1/2"

$40.60 $32.48

F 1 x 3 13/16 x 38 5/16"

Chechem

Another of our woods from the Yucatan Peninsula in Mexico. The heartwood is reddish-brown with very pronounced chatoyance or luster. A beautiful wood for furniture, cabinetry, turnery & treen, etc.

Item Number: W42004

$25.50 $20.40

B 15/16 x 2 7/16 x 40 1/8"

$33.95 $27.16

C 1 x 3 3/16 x 38 5/16"

Tzalam

Oftentimes sold as a poor mans Hawaian Koa.

Item Number: W42002

Snakewood Bundles

Also called Letterwood and Leopardwood. Color: dark red to reddish brown with irregular black speckles or stripes. Fine textured and highly lustrous. Very hard and heavy, 75-84 lbs/cu ft. Takes a beautiful finish. Very rare and very expensive. Guyana and Surinam.

A has 3 pieces.
B has 4 pieces.
C has 4 pieces.

Item Number: W41994

$50.10 $40.08

C ea. pc. 1/2-1 x 7/8-1 1/4 x 10 1/8-12 1/4"